/commands retooling and some other suggestions

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I Eat My Own Poop
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/commands retooling and some other suggestions

Post by I Eat My Own Poop » Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:16 pm

Hi all,

Some of you might recognize me, as I've been surfing pretty regularly on these servers for about five months now, and I'm really enjoying surfing as a whole, so thanks for hosting such great servers. ^_^ I have a couple suggestions involving the menu system.
  1. /commands
    The /commands menu is really quite sparse, and it's missing quite a few commands that could be helpful to newer surfers, as well as some commands I would never have known about if other surfers hadn't mentioned them. Here are the current commands that are shown when you type /commands in the server:
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    Some of the descriptions for the commands are a bit lackluster, too. Only /top mentions that you can type "/top mapname" but /pr and /p don't specify that you can also look up other maps/people, or that you can look up another player's record on another map.

    Here is a (very probably incomplete) list of commands that are not on the list. Some of these are probably common in most servers but it might be nice to document them either way:
    • /nominate X
      /rtv
      /revote
      /skeys
      /spec X
      /replay
      /speedometer
      /hide
      /hidechat
      /broken (ironically, I read on these forums that this command is broken)
      /leaderboard
      /lookup X
      /cpr X
      /gb
      /mapperlist
      /timer
      /fly
      /tele X
      /resume
    These commands are included in server messages but not in /commands:
    • /report
      /group
      /hop
      /rules
      /jukebox
      /surf
      /ranks
    There are also several abbreviations for commands that are available but not that well documented:
    • /r (restart)
      /ve (voteextend)
      /ts (topstage)
      /tb (topbonus)
      /jb (jukebox)
      etc.
    As an aside, I'm not sure what /help is supposed to accomplish. I typed it in and got this in console:
    SourceMod Help: Command Information
    [001] +sm_paint - No description available
    [002] -sm_paint - No description available
    [003] build - Restrict buildings in TF2.
    [004] em - Shows the model manager menu
    [005] equip - Shows the model manager menu
    [006] equipmodels - Shows the model manager menu
    [007] ff - No description available
    [008] listmaps - No description available
    [009] mm - Shows the model manager menu
    [010] motd - No description available
    Entries 1 - 10 in page 1
    [SM] See console for output.
    Not only are half of these commands lacking descriptions, most of them don't even do anything or says I lack the access level to use the command. Maybe someone more knowledgeable could fill me in on what this stuff is supposed to do?

    Preemptive edit: As I'm typing this, I found out there's 11 pages of help console commands that includes the commands that I listed (and more), but I only found this through luck when I was trying different commands. There's a bunch of cool commands that I've never heard of (/options, /recentrecord, /recentrecordbonus, /recentrecordstage) hidden in there that I'm sure people would be interested in knowing!
  2. Include a quick/simple tutorial on saveloccing
    This has probably been suggested before, but it'd be nice to have a quick tutorial on saveloccing. Saveloccing is one of the most efficient ways to learn a new map or practice a certain part of a map, but most new surfers probably aren't aware of it. Granted, most new surfers probably don't need or care about saveloccing, but for those looking to improve, I believe currently the only way of learning about saveloccing is through word of mouth.
  3. Make map time information more easily accessible
    I found this completely on accident, but I noticed that when you type /top and select a time, you get this time information menu that includes the first completion date and the best completion date.
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    As far as I can tell, you can only access this from /top or /topstage, and the only way to find yours is to type /top @<your rank on the map> and click on the time there. The @ option is actually really cool but I only found out about the feature through someone else. This goes a bit along with the /commands menu being a bit sparse. (Ignore my terrible rank on surf_aircontrol, I'm a bad surfer.)
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    Currently, if you go to your profile (/p) and check your completed maps, selecting a map you completed doesn't do anything. It'd be cool if selecting the map either gave you this information or gave you your personal record information on that map. Speaking of which, if it's still in the database, would it be possible to include the map completion time of the first completion and the map completion time of the best completion? It'd be nifty to compare the two times to see how much you improved. You could also link this in /pr for the map time.
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  4. Is there a point in including both ! and / commands?
    Currently, you can type commands using ! or / (!skeys vs. /skeys) with the only difference between the two being that the latter doesn't show up in chat. This is pretty minor/petty, so it's not a big deal, but I'm just curious whether there's a reason to keep the ! commands around. Seems a bit unnecessary when / commands work the same but are less distracting.
Sorry for the wall of text! Please let me know what you think of these suggestions!
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